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PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:50 am 
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Richtee wrote:
Beaver wrote:
gents, just as a preemptive please keep brand names out of the discussion.
many of us know which ones they are but i would hate to put us and pitmasters at risk of slander.

Informal discussions on a private site would hardly constitute slander. Well, here in the US anyway. It MAY provoke ire and dissent...err..discussion... but I find that stimulating, if not entertaining ;{)

i wont go into it too much richtee as this is daves section but there have been a number of forums that have been taken to court and forced to defend themselves for not preventing this.
i dont know if you have a site called "yelp" in the US or if it is just in australia but that is a site where people post positive/negative reviews of companies. yelp themselves have been the target of many a court case for their lack of moderation or validation of what is being posted.
i highly doubt this will happen but its better to be safe than sorry especialy due to the previous heated discussions in the past. for now i dont see a need for any moderation but there may be a line i will have to draw at some time, i dont know where that line is so its hard for me to put in a rule for it.
obviously the lack of a rule means i wont punish but i will likely moderate while working out how to best voice the new rule.

this rule would obviously works both ways, it protects existing vendors here as well as provides a positive place for new vendors for our members to interact with

*UPDATE* i have just made a fairly relaxed rule to provide some structure around this. check announcements for update

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:08 pm 
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Master Yoder wrote:
Congratulations Dave!

If it was not for your passion and dedication the true art of low and slow bbq would not be gaining the much needed awareness and momentum here in Australia.

You have changed the way that I bbq, for which I am and will be forever grateful.

If Tony Abbott had any clue, you would've received an OAM at the Australia Day honours :P

Thanks for sticking to what you believe in.


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Lovey wrote:
Congratulations on your efforts and hard work Dave. From the conversations I've had with you during the certification 'process', I understand the time and expense involved, well done.
Master Yoder, certainly not trying to start a poo fight, are there other types of pellet cookers that in the country that aren't certified to the proper standards? When I'm looking to buy one, I certainly don't want to invest good money on an item that may not be safe near my home and family.
Thanks again Dave.
Steve

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Hello Darth, or should I say lovey ,

I am not going to comment on specific brands, you will need to find out what their individual representatives can provide or prove, but there are certainly brands without electrical approvals out there.

Of course i am biased as I own a yoder, but in my opinion it is the worlds best quality product and the results I am getting are flaunt less. For sure yoder have over engineered their products and the design and build quality is second to none and certainly without equal in the australian market.

From what I have personally seen Dave has done more for low and slow American bbq and pellet/off set bbqs in one year than all the other brands have done in the past 5 years.

Dave needs to be commended.

This is all for the good of everyone, even consumers who see a yoder and fall in love it, but for financial reasons need to settle for one of the other brands, the end result is still positive as it's one less person who is mislead to believe a gass bbq is the only way to cook bbq, albeit very badly.


Thankyou all for your comments.

Our next 2 x 40' Containers are due to leave the Yoder Factory in Kansas in early May. Yoder are in the middle of testing our new 240V Electronic Controllers, just to make sure the design works 100%

Yoder in the US really deserve just as much credit, as without their perseverance & money spent we would not be able to import these great BBQs into Australia.

The back up & support that we get with Yoder is absolutely second to none!

Cheers, Dave

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:36 am 
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The very first Yoder YS640 Pellet Grills, fully compliant for Australian Electrical & Safety Compliance getting ready to leave Kansas in the US for Australia.

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All of these are pre-sold :wink:

Cheers, Dave

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:54 pm 
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Nice one Dave.... it's getting closer :) can't wait !!


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:13 pm 
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pportmann wrote:
Nice one Dave.... it's getting closer :) can't wait !!


Its been a very long road mate, not long now.

Cheers, Dave

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:47 am 
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Well, we have had 2 x 40' Containers arrive into Adelaide of the NEW 240V models of the Yoder YS480 , YS640 & YS1500

They are working better than ever & all our customers have given positive feedback :D

We have had a 40' leave for New Zealand ( the first one into NZ ) , another two 40' containers leaving at the end of this month for Australia, and another leaving end of October.

Yoder Smokers YS Series Pellet Grills are the only Pellet Grills imported into Australia that are fully compliant for Australian Electrical & Safety Standards.

BBQing in Australia with Versatility, Ease of Operation & Total Peace of Mind

Cheers, Dave

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:28 pm 
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Glad to see companies actually following the guidelines with respect to local compliance requirements. Personally seen the huge difference between a quality product that has been designed and if required subsequently modified to comply with standards! Even better if you have managed to do it all yourself!

Some importers never test in Australia and rely upon using a Testing facility such as http://www.emcbayswater.com.au/C_tick_testing_FAQs.html to review technical documentation to verify if the applicable standards are met, such as highlighted in the ACMA help: http://www.acma.gov.au/Industry/Suppliers/Equipment-regulation/Radiocommunications-devices/devices-labelled-with-overseas-markings-fact-sheet

Glad you guys are importing good quality products to the Australian market and not cheap imports that are flooding the market from other parts of the world.

Have you seen how some entities abuse the European Compliance mark (CE)?
Check here http://www.emcbayswater.com.au/faq/when-is-a-ce-mark-not-a-ce-mark.html

Also I think you need a local representative/agent in Australia to distribute, I hope you got this covered

All the best guys with your venture and happy compliance testing :D


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:16 pm 
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Having been responsible for EMC and Safety compliance for all products we designed and manufactured in another life I am sensitive for need for products to meet or exceed safety and EMC compliance standards. It was a definite factor in my decision to go the direction I did with my recent BBQ purchase. I was happy to wait for 10 months whilst GrillPro went through the compliance path. It brought back memories......

It was an interesting read on the Chinese CE marking......"Chinese Export" interesting choice of font! I have seen CE marked products before and shaken my head as to how they were marked CE.....I suspect they were Chinese Exports marked and not the real European CE mark? Probably fooled me and I believe I have some EMC experience.....didn't know of this until your post EMC Man. Wish I knew about that in my other life!

Interesting post..

Fleetz


EMC MAN wrote:
Glad to see companies actually following the guidelines with respect to local compliance requirements. Personally seen the huge difference between a quality product that has been designed and if required subsequently modified to comply with standards! Even better if you have managed to do it all yourself!

Some importers never test in Australia and rely upon using a Testing facility such as http://www.emcbayswater.com.au/C_tick_testing_FAQs.html to review technical documentation to verify if the applicable standards are met, such as highlighted in the ACMA help: http://www.acma.gov.au/Industry/Suppliers/Equipment-regulation/Radiocommunications-devices/devices-labelled-with-overseas-markings-fact-sheet

Glad you guys are importing good quality products to the Australian market and not cheap imports that are flooding the market from other parts of the world.

Have you seen how some entities abuse the European Compliance mark (CE)?
Check here http://www.emcbayswater.com.au/pdf/When_is_CE_not_CE.pdf

Also I think you need a local representative/agent in Australia to distribute, I hope you got this covered

All the best guys with your venture and happy compliance testing :D

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:35 am 
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An interesting post EMC Man,
We believe the American made Yoder YS Pellet Grills to be far superior both in build quality & electronics to the cheaper Chinese brands imported into Australia so far so it made complete sense for us to obtain compliance for them here in Australia. Compliance testing & during which Yoder in the US completely redesigned the electronics making it full 240V and altering other parts for safety compliance. This process took tens of thousands of dollars and around 12 months to complete.

Amazing that your similar post on Australian EMC Compliance was actually removed off another of our Australian BBQ forums, go figure, safety obviously not a high priority :roll:

We went through EMC, Electrical and Safety Compliance all in Melbourne. The end result is the only legal Pellet Grill imported and sold here in Australia & New Zealand.

I found this particularly interesting http://www.emcbayswater.com.au/pdf/When_is_CE_not_CE.pdf as this applies a Charcoal Rotisserie I saw in a BBQ store recently and also applies to at least one Chinese made Pellet Grill imported into Australia, the same also claims a compliance number, but when you look it up the only part that was actually tested was "Firelighter for Digital Pellet Grill (Component Part)" and from what I have seen also has no Australian safety compliance which is actually dangerous.

One Chinese Pellet Grill Manufacturer has already had a massive recall in Canada a while back and another is currently facing a country wide recall in another part of the world because of misleading labeling & non compliance.

It has been an interesting journey for sure and we have learnt so much about our Laws & Compliance. As an Australian company we will not be importing anything electrical without full Compliance, its just not worth it.

I would encourage anyone looking at purchasing a Pellet Grill to ask the importer or distributor for written proof of Australian EMC, Electrical & Safety Compliance & investigate the authenticity before purchase yourself, just because CE & an approval number is written on a compliance plate, it doesn't actually mean that it is accurate or legal.

If anyone has any questions, please dont hesitate to contact me.

Cheers, Dave

EMC MAN wrote:
Glad to see companies actually following the guidelines with respect to local compliance requirements. Personally seen the huge difference between a quality product that has been designed and if required subsequently modified to comply with standards! Even better if you have managed to do it all yourself!

Some importers never test in Australia and rely upon using a Testing facility such as http://www.emcbayswater.com.au/C_tick_testing_FAQs.html to review technical documentation to verify if the applicable standards are met, such as highlighted in the ACMA help: http://www.acma.gov.au/Industry/Suppliers/Equipment-regulation/Radiocommunications-devices/devices-labelled-with-overseas-markings-fact-sheet

Glad you guys are importing good quality products to the Australian market and not cheap imports that are flooding the market from other parts of the world.

Have you seen how some entities abuse the European Compliance mark (CE)?
Check here http://www.emcbayswater.com.au/faq/when-is-a-ce-mark-not-a-ce-mark.html

Also I think you need a local representative/agent in Australia to distribute, I hope you got this covered

All the best guys with your venture and happy compliance testing :D

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http://grillpro.com.au
http://www.louisiana-grills-australia.com.au/
https://www.facebook.com/GrillProAU


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:14 pm 
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I have just updated these posts with the correct link: http://www.emcbayswater.com.au/faq/when-is-a-ce-mark-not-a-ce-mark.html

Cheers, Dave

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